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i ? i'. .A J J r 4 fir 1.' AND ! 1- ., 1 I -v 1 k ; . l f J . T K I1 Bntkm xv. FRIDAY, JAKUARY ao,U815f -Nbi 80o ..." t'vy-. u 11 . -uiiUJ-JLii ' I ' . r f . t . ' . 4 1 : - v . t- ' : a "m i DESPATCHES. COXCLVDBP. No-vur. t the uAdsk CtmmittUner, Ghent, Oct. IS 1814. The o$ de raigoed hare the .honor .,vwlcd?c thr receipt of thenote rf the Plcoipotentjries of Ms Britain Sjdd of the imposiibitity - of Tsoidin-ihe world f hat the govern Ujtofthe U. States was liable to . atllgrwDJcd iaiputatioa of a itofeccquest, ottpt injustice to irdi other nations, the undersigned, i3 3&rdinscxp!anat!ocs Co several cf ih topics adf erted to by the Bri shPlectpotentiiries! during this ne rctisusa were actuated by the sole cirtivc of rt moving: erroneous im- StilUcfl jenced by the ame motive, will now add, that at the time hru ibe Spanish mioister was re rciratiog at Washington against the transfer of Louisiana, orders were livtab- government for its deli: fry to France t that; it was, in fact, c!e!irered a short time after that re nrxacc ; acd that,if the treatj- by chiitr.eU.Statrsacquircdit had not b:sa ratified, it wpuld have become, of court:, a French colony. The undersized believe, that the evidence cfrhc sssentcf Spainof that transfer hs been promulgated! They neither idsit the alledged inability of the Spcish monsrch, nor the inference thich the British plenipotentiaries trould teem to deduce from it ; on the cx:riry,the aisent was voluntarily ia 1814, by the same King, who about the itwe time ceded Trinidad to G. Britiin, and prior to the time when le wis j gain engaged in war with her. The cesiion by Franc was immedi rtlj commooicated to Great Britain, Docircunutaoce af cede git, sncj then ithia the knowledge; of the United States being intentionally concealed fbr her. She expretsrJ her satis- j factica with it j and if in any posi-j blc sts of the case $he wou'd hare a tirfct to question thek traoactioo, it drts eot appear to the undersigned tbt she is now authorised to do so. After stating geocrally, that the prodamticcs of GecerAls Hull and S-nyth were neither .authorised ncr pprcTed by their government, the uodenitied could not have expected 'it the British plenipotentiaries ou!d suppose that their statement d sot embrace the ofdjr part of the procUaiatiom which was the subject cf tCLiideration. t Tfce undersigned had indeed hop ed that by stating in their note of the Sih ultimo, that the government of lie United States, trom the com epctmentof tne war, had!1 been dis Prd to make peace without obtain ,c5 sy cession of territory, and by re.'erringto their, knowledge of that c-sfiticn, and to iosiructioris c :id"?ly given rromjjaly 1812 to JsDuary 1814, they wOuld efiTcCtually ttnnvc the impression that the an- Elation of Canada to. the U. States W the AeclnrrA r hiF ttitf rr- iter! bcen the only i-' ---Vhichl feg Fitstionut the only have r- . fj;:t siatemcnt, has been, that cither . e Aajericangovernroentby not giv 5structions previous to the ruci- t:tn of Europe, or khe unr'ersign-J D0 ctmg under such instruc r-gave no prool o" a sincere de- to brinjj the present Cegotiatioos ? Viable conclusicn. The un- iI'Ik? lid ? ct aUudc in rcfcrcn c alledged intention to annex siioa of territorvj it was only of fJ Prtvwu, disposiiiori that itappcaf- tl wasthcinfcrcpcedrawn 47 Brih plenirtentiarieN in . aspects, that it was in virtue nf ,tTtt5Uoos of June last, that the j J?:" "tly tc January last, "u,e, a?kinc r tM. tl'm umlcnignecbjrere enabled, in their note of the 24th August, toute,that th causes of the war between the U. States and Great Britain, having dis appeared by the maritime pacification of Europe, they had been authorized to agree to its' termination '; upon a mutual restoration of territory, and without making the conclusion of peace to depend on a successful ar rangement of those points' on which the difference Had cxisted; ' Considering the, present state of the negotiation, the undersigned will aostatn, at tma time, trom adducing ; ny evidence of remarks upon the in ; fluence which has been exerted over the Indian tribes inhabiting the terri i tories ofxhe United States, and the j nature of those excitements which ; have been employed by British trad ers and agents. The arguments and facts already brought forward by the undersigned, i jrcspecung me political conditions oi t t t . r those trihes, renders it unnecessary for them to make many olncrvations on those of the British plenipotentia ries on that subject. The treaties of 1763 and 1782, were those priori pally alluded toby the undersigned, to illustrate the practice of G.Britain. They did not admit in the first, nor re quire in the last, any stipulations re specting the lndiahs,who, in one case, had been her enemies, and in the p- L. L. 11: I l. . t V. T I stances, fell by the peace within the dominions of that power, agrinst whom they bad been engaged in the preceding war. The negotiation of 1761 was quot ed for the purpose of proving, what appears to be fully established by the answer of England to the ultimatum of France, delivered on the first of September of that year, that his Bri tannic Majesty would not renounce his' right of (Protection over the Indian tribes reputed to be within his domi nions, that n to say, between the Bri- I tih settlements and the Mississippi. Mr. Pitt's letter, cited by the British plenipotentiaries, far from contradict ing that position, goes still further. It states that the situation of the new limits to Canada, as proposed by France, is intended to shorten the extent of Canada, which was to be ceded to Eugiand, h, to lengthen the i boundarieaofLouisiana.which France . vras 10 icrep ana in tne view to estab lish what must not be admitted, name ly, that all which ti rot Canada is Louisiana, whereby all the interme- j a m m dure nations and countries, the true barrier to each Drovincelwould be given up to France." ctsely the principle ported by the uad that the recognition Lgivcs up to the natio hall it is made, all th j. It was on this principle that the dersigned have confidently relied onl the treaty of 1783, which fixes and recognizes the boundary of the Unit ed States, without making any reser vation respecting Indian tfibe&. II rtj nc British plenipotentiaries t' ie to DroJuce a solitary orece- ct vRrwit: boundary, c Oose be- cuOTan tnoes Not on have the under. f (?c to produce . a solitary ' prece ean power treating itinor within the do- Jions of another, have been com vpelied in support of their principle, to refer to the German empire, a body consisting of several independent states, recognised y such bthe whole world, and separately t.ain taining with foreign powers the rela tipns belonging to such a condition. Can it be necessary to prove that there is no sort of analogy between the political state of these civilised communities, and that of the wander ing tribes of North American sava ges?'. . ir'- - In referring to what the British plenipotentiaries, represent as alarnpf iog and novel pretensiousf that Great Britain cn never recognize, the un dersigned might complain .that these alleged pretensions have not.' been stated either in terms or in sub. stance, as expressed 'themselves. This, however, is the less material, as any further recognition of them by-f j Great Britain is not necessary nor re quested. On the other Band, they can never admit nor ;recogniz the principles or pretensions asserted in the course of this correspondence by the British Plenipotentiaries, and which to tlrrna appear novel Sc 'alarm-ing- J. 1 The articje proposed by , the Bri tish plenipotentiaries,; in their last notes, not including the Indian tribes, as parties ihthe peace and leaving the United States free to, effect its object in a mode consonant with the rela tions which they have constantly maintained with those tribes, partak ing also of the nature of an amnesty, and being atj the same time recipro cal, is not liable to that objection : and seconds with the view uniformly pro fessed by the undersigned, of placing these trhe precisely, and in every respect, in the same situation as that in which they stood before the com I mencemcnt pf hostilities. This ar- tide, thus proposing only what the undersigned-hive so 'often assured the British plenipotentiaries would neces sarilyfolbwj if indeed it has not alrea dy, as is highly probable, preceded a peace between Great Britain and the United States. The undersigned a gree to admit it, in substance, as a provisional article,subject as originally proposed "by (the British government, to the approbation or rejection of the United Statqs, which, having given no instructions to the undersigned on this point, cannot be bound by any article they may admit on the subject. It will, of course, be understood, ! that if, unhappily, peace should not be the result oi the present negotia tion, the article thus conditionally a greed to shal be of no effect, and shall not, in any future negociation be bro't forward by ! cither party, by way of argument or precedent. This article having been presented as an indispensable preliminary, and being now accepted, the undersigned requested the British plenipotentia ries to communicate to them the pro ject of a treaty embracing all the points deemed material by Great Britain ; the undcrsigped engaging on their part to deliver immediately after a counter project with respect to all the articles to which they may not agree, and on the subjects deemed material by the United States, aad, which may be omitted in the British project. JOHN QUINCY ADAMS, J. A. BVAUD, 11 ' CLAY, JON A. RUSSELL, ALBERT GALLATIN", :, No. ix. The BritUh f the American Cenniimonert. Ghent, Ocu21, 1814. The undersigned have.had the ho nor of receiving the note of the Ame rican Plenipotentiaries of the 13th io?t, communicaung their accptance of the article which the undersigned h-d proposed on the suljectofthrpi cification and rights of the Indian na tions. , , tf ' . ( The nrdersigned are happjT in be in thus rrlivVd .from the necessity of recurring to several topics, which, though they! rose Tn tiie course of their discussions, have only an inci dental connection with the differences remaining to be adjusted between the two countries. With a view to this adjustment the undersigned, preferring in the present state of the negociation a" ge neral statement to the formal arrange ment articles, are willing so far to comply w:h the request of the Ame rican Plenipotentiaries contained io their last note, as to wave the advan tage to which they think they were en tided, of requiring from them the first project of tf treaty. The undersigned .having .stated, at the firaf conference the points Upon which hisTnijcsty'a government con-Btderyd-thedbco'ss the two countries' as likeJyVto;tturn ean noVbcttcf 8atisfyc;qucst the American PIcnipdtentiariei, thanj by referTing'th'em to that conference for a statement of tha- points ;, which, -in the opinion of. his majesty's govern ment yet remain to be adjusted v Yih reapect to the forcible ici- zure of marines from on board mar- chant vessels on the high seas, and the right of the King of Great 'Britain" to the allegiance of all- his native sub jects, and with respect to the roari- time rights of the British empire, the imqeraignea conceive tnar, arter tne pretensions asserted by the govern ment of the United States, a more sa tisfactory proof of' thsr conciliatory spirit, of bis majesty's government canpot be given than by not requiring any stipulation on those subjects, which, though most important in f themselves, no longer io consequence oi the maritime pacification of r.u ropeproduce the same practical result. On the subject of the Fisheries, the undersigned expressed with so much frankness at the conference al kready referred to, tj?e views of thtir government,-that they consider any further observations on that topic un necessary at the present time. On the question, cf the bound aryi between the dominions of his majesty and those of the United , States, the undersigned are Jed to expect from the discussion which this subject has already undergone, that the North western Boundary from the I.ake of the Woods to the Mississippi (the intended arrangements of 18 ; 3) will be admitted without objection. In regard to other boundaries, the American Plenipotentiaries in I their note of August 24 h appeared in some 'measure to object to the propo sition then made by the undersigned as not being on the basis oijuti possi detis. The undersigned are willinsr to treat on that: basis, subject to such modifications as muiual convenience may be found to require and they trastthat the American: Plenipoten tiaries will shew by theirrcady ac ceptance of this basii, that they duly appreciate the moderation of his ma jesty's goverpment in ao far. eonsult- ingthc honor and fair pretensions of the United States as in the relative situation of the countries, authorise such a proposition The under signeel avail themselves of this opportunkyHo renew to the American Plenipotentiaries, the as surance of their highconsideratinn. GAMOIBR, HENY GOULDUON, WILLIAM ABAMS. No. Xv The American it tbt BriU$h Ministers. ' October 24, 1814. The undersigned have the honor to acknowl dge the receipt of the note of the British Plenipotentiaries of the 21st instant. : Amoogst the general observations which the undersigned, in their note of the 24ih August, made on the pro positions then brought forward on the part of theBritish government, they remarked that those propositions were founded neither on the basis of uti pbtsidctisy nor on that of status antebellum. But so far were they from suggesting, the uti possidetis as- the basis; on which they were dis posed to treat, that in the same note ihey expressly stated, that they Jiad been instructed to conclude a peace on the principles of both parties re storing whatever territory they might have taken. 'The undersigned also declared in that note tht they had no authority to cede any part offthe ter ritory of the Uaited States, and that to ho stipulation to that effect would they subscribe ; and in the note of 9th of September, after having shown that the bans ointi ppstidetis, such as was known to exut at the commence ment of the negotiation, gave no claim to hit Britannic- majesty to cessions of territory founded upon the right of conquest, they added; that even if the chances of war should gi ve to the British arms a momentirry potstssion of other parrs of the territory, of the United States, ianch eventswould hot alter their views; with regard; to thev terms of peace to which they" Would pveeirxonsecu; :S 'If f The undersigned can nq,wr only tje peat those declatiops fand " decline treating upon the JbsU otitis posside lis, or npon ajQotherJ in volving a cession 'of toy part ef the UDitedtates fcrmly attfeaMniinltfe 'iJiplSf- on the principle of at mutualorestoni4 r fmwp. tiotJL or tyhtev?r territory-imayliave t wtV-l - .this principle they cannot-recede, antl : ithe.uhdersigned, aertthe-repeated aeciarauonsoi cne onusa ptenipotcn- . , tiaries, that Great Britain had hd vwtr id acquisi tiop of teriton in thisjje gbtiatioo, oee m U'(eCfaty that the utility of . tta jcbdtifiunielj ei pends on their adherence to this piiu 1 I The underaigned haviog declared a their note of; the st.of st. that although instruc te d jaod 'prcpafed ' to enter-into a discussBnicallpblvv on which difference of j uncertainty had existed, and which miffht hereaf- 1 ter tend to interrupt! the harmony of the two cotintries,'." .theyj ouJl4iEio .,1. make the cgnciusion of thepeaclat all depend upon a succesisjul result of the discussion, and haying sincefa-; greed to the preliminary article , pro posed by the British governmcut, had peiieveu . tnacxne negotiation, atreaay. so long protractedLbula not bk broV . V to an early conclusion, other wise thaa t by the comrminicatipn of a project embracing alV the other specific pro- positions which Greit BriuffiePd ed to offer. They repeat! theTrtequest ip this respect, and will J have no ob jections to a simultaneous exchange ' of the projects of both pirfies. . This course will bring fairly ihto.di$eussfoa the other topics embraced in the last note of the - British lenipotentiarie3v to which the?undenirae it donccessary to advert at; the pre sent timer ""' fMi'-' 3 The undersiened reiJewto the Bri I .111 - - - . tish Plenipotentiaries iheassuraace their high consideration. . r. 1 J.jQjlADAMS, J.IA. BAYARD . - HLCIiAV. ; U RUSSELL, v & i - N. if. Is a Fhprt letter frcim odflComnifs- sioners to the Secretary of State,-da- . teo! Slat Oct. merely, j me;ntioning the recei pt of the following iodosure from the British Coram?s?foncri t v ' ' ! No. xih " :- From the British to ibe Jmertcan AfinhterK " -I N ; . - ; !.Otfober3L:- JThe undersigned hiaye-Jhe hr. nor to acknowledge the receipt, jjpf ihe note addressed t them by 1 he American pie- nipotenttiries on the 2kh jnsi,tn which they object to the hasl$c;(jttif 'fhidttit proposed by the undersigned ashat OhT which ihey are willing' to treat in?rcgard to; part of the boundaries between the . r. dominions of his majesty arid those : bf the United States, nn4 ' their note of the f 3 h insL requested the ' , uuucrij;oca io. cumnuaicaic co tnenv $t pfbjt oaJtreafy embracing all the pointa.insis;ed pn by Great Briiain, eo-: gating on their part tordellver immedi ately tfter a cpnfre prpjetjas to ail the ' articles to which they might not "agreei and as-.to' all the atibjtcts deemed ma terial by the. United Stutes; 3ftci omitted " in the projet of the unimied. .iThe- uadersigned:weri " instructed to "wave tjSeesticn;bf eti- -quette and the advintage which might result from receiving the first coromu nicftion, and, cAnfidingr in jthe enjrige- ' mnt of the American plenifwtenjianes, communicated in their oate bf the ist instantall the points tlpofl which they . arj instructed to insist V ": '-h - .' TheAi -rican plepij&tefitiarieshave obicttrd to one essential part ofthe Dro jti tfcu communicated!, but befin the; - underaigocd can4i&jiter f into the discus- stoh of this cjecticthey must require JrjmheAnitriafli t tha, pursuant tf thdengemehUihey wiJL' deliver a jebfltreprbjet! cbhtaihitig art ihiirtiotis tat he points sub- ' mitted bythcnhderi .ifftth siaUment nt sach limhet pwDts;; aipt'gofernmeiit;o consider to be . materialJ' f V kkAi.t ll T;ttnVenieffire-: authorised f'o"l V'-z Ute distinctly, tbt the article s to the -f exjcadoji and rights of the Indian na- r itoni tofhijaceri accejifedj thej.hsye bmaghVforsrard ift theirjoote of the 21st instam, alfthe propoiions: they-have to ofier-.Theyiire oo farther demsnda ': to njAevho-oiheratipuliU e the incfnifted fn mTk niuf thmw?j:- f ; - -si -. i 7. v i':"- are empowerea ie sij;n a treaty .It .li i'&tti fife Iff .At.'Mlj-.V. 2 '- tl mmm tIV3 ..-.j.r-'T Iff v -v it. If' Mr - v I- if-: n v. 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